Problems with religion.

Problems with religion.

Before you ever tell me religion has a positive impact, look at this. Since religion is an institution with a real moral obligation (or so you’d think, since that’s what it’s supposed to be all about – living your life the way your God wants) you’d think it would produce more positive impacts rather than create fear, violence, and senseless hate.


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12 Responses to Problems with religion.

  1. You have that mixed up. Religion is about fear, violence, and senseless hate. Moral obligations are what the adherents are guilted into so that the religion doesn’t look so bad.

    • thatcatkatie says:

      I just said that because that’s what it really should be about rather than what it really is about. Religion seems to preach love and then it’s own followers use religion or are even driven by it to create atrocities. People always come back to me about this saying that you can’t blame an entire religion for a few rotten religious people, and then try to tell me there are rotten atheists, too. The difference between atheists and religious being rotten, however, is that religious people have an entire institution backing up their bigoted ways. Atheists do bad things, but it’s not all in the name of not believing in a God. However, religion (if you have one) touches all aspects of life, so arguable anything you did could have religious consequences. Also, you all have a rule book basically telling you what to do – atheists have no such guide, no common set of rules that links us or that we would be able to refer to to explain our actions.
      And if religion is supposed to be a good thing, then why has it proven time and time again how dangerous it is? If it is so good, id God is so good, then why are the negative effect so much greater than positive ones? Having a religion gives you a moral obligation – not to say that we don’t all have one in the first place regardless of religious views (if you say you don’t have a moral obligation without religion, you probably lack character… just because I don’t have an end-goal such as getting into heaven doesn’t mean there’s no reason to be moral, I address this another post), so it would make sense for good things to flow forth from it, but they just don’t. You can argue that humans are imperfect, and that’s why this happens, and that’s why we need God even more – but we supposedly already have him, supposedly already know what he wants, so why don’t his followers listen? Perhaps because there’s really no God enforcing any of this? Maybe.
      On the occasion a good thing is done in the name of religion, it is small, a charitable act – nothing that could make serious impact. World hunger, for example, is a solvable problem, we have more than enough food for everyone alive – this is a problem you’d think the religious institutions with ample resources and manpower would try to fix, but it isn’t profitable, so it doesn’t get done. If religion were really about peace, love, and living morally then where are the actions that reflect this? Why aren’t religious officials making a bigger effort to improve the world? Where are the peaceful negotiations over issues of religion in place of war? Why, instead of cooperation, do we see people killing others in the name of their so-called peaceful religions? Because religion is a tool, an inherently evil one and has been proven as such time and time again, but people don’t see it. They’re too far immersed, too indoctrinated, too scared of dying, too proud to consider being wrong, to consider religion as a problem and to consider that it is wrong. That it was merely something created by man to try to explain the world that has morphed into something far more than that. It has been shaped by man to control people, it changes with people, and without it the world might be a better place – IF people could just act human and be moral because they know they should be rather than acting moral to try to get into heaven or avoid hell.
      Now, I’m absolutely not saying that these atrocities disprove God – but they should make people question religion – all religion everywhere. These images should make people realize that there is nothing inherently good about religion, that being religious doesn’t make a person any more moral than anyone else. They should make people realize that religious institutes are not what they claim to be, and that they create more hate and prejudice than anything else in the world. Without religion, people would likely be more able to ignore their differences. However, the differences in mindset that religion creates between people of differing views can be extremely dangerous, as this post proves. I wish people would realize every religion is a cult, just because you don’t have a suicide pact doesn’t mean it isn’t. Every religion indoctrinates you into a set of beliefs that it will desperately try to get you to believe, they’ll make you think you need it, they’ll make you think you’ll feel alone without their God or savior or whoever else, they’ll make you think that without it you have no hope of happiness – this is what cults do to create strong membership, they make an individual feel purposeful within their group so that they are hesitant to question the beliefs. They preach love but the end result is often horrific acts, hate, or prejudice against other people just because of a set of beliefs – with no proof or valid sources at all – says that that’s how they should be. Religion teaches a selective sort of morality, ignoring ethical obligations when it’s own teaching or ways of life are threatened, changing when it must to keep up with the people.

  2. Religion is 1. Belief in a higher power/diety/dieties 2. expressions of ceremonial worship typically involving music, gesture and ceremony but the form and order of it (or lack of order of it ranges) and 3. A foundation for some sense of objective moral truths.

    People’s religious motivations come in a wide variety of forms. However flawed Steven King’s “The Mist” was, it offered some great points. “The mist” represents what we really can’t know. The people trapped in the grocery store represent our reaction to the unknown. There is the religious nut who, to comfort herself, convinces herself that she understands it more than she does. She believes she can control it and her certainty eventually draws people to her. But it’s not everyone imprisoning themselves in the store out of fear who follow her. There are also those who try to gain control through some sort of logical study. They do form a following and eventually kill the religious leader and are forced to leave because her followers are going to attack them. They then run for the car for some measure of emotional safety (representing the limitations of science and reason), but once the car runs out of gas, they still choose self destruction to save them from the unknown that they fear.

    People do terrible things when they’re afraid and atheism is not a resolution to fear. It is simply a fatalistic answer. Well, actually it’s less than fatalistic for it a more comforting thought than a higher power who does not love us in the least. If anything, my faith doesn’t tell me a higher power/God exists. Reason tells me that. It is faith that tells me that God loves us. It is faith that gives me the power to go out into the midst and to not be afraid of what lies within it.

    I know plenty of atheists who respect believers and I respect them. But the atheists who don’t are much like the nutjob theists. They’re two sides of the same coin.

    • thatcatkatie says:

      How does reason tell you that God exists? I am genuinely curious. What is reasonable that believing that something that has presented no proof of its existence exists?
      I personally haven’t seen The Mist so I have no idea what the movie is about, I should probably watch it because this isn’t the first time it’s been brought up as an analogy.

      • Reason tells me that it is highly probably that a higher power that created the universe exists. Reason can tell me what minimal attributes that entity would need to exist.

        I used to find a lot of the proofs for God’s existence pretty unimpressive, but that is because I was pressupposing that the argument proved everything I was being taught about God’s nature was true.

        For instance, my daughter’s existence is proof that she has a mother. It doesn’t prove whether she was raised by me, or whether she gestated inside of me or in a surrogate. And while we could study her development and point out how she began as a single cell and developed into the toddler she currently is while speculating how she’ll continue to develop into the future, that still doesn’t disprove my existence. The same is true with the big bang and evolution. That shows how the universe developed to what it is now and what direction it is continuing to develop, but it does not explain its own existence. It would have been far better for atheists if there were no evidence of a big bang. If it could be argued that the nature of the universe has always existed and merely recycles itself that would be far more compelling for a lack of existence of God.

        As strange as it is, as a child, I found the concept of a lack of beginning so difficult to grasp, the first cause argument seemed to beg the question of “who created God?” As an adult, the existence of time, space and the universe makes absolutely no sense to me. If God doesn’t exist, I don’t believe it is reasonable for anything to exist. Yet I have to live with the fact that it does exist. The universe is all the miracle and evidence I need.

        Granted, people can come to their own conclusions. My husband is a former atheist and though he believes, he tends to tell me that he finds First Cause and Design weak arguments.

        Regardless of what argument is used, it certainly leaves a lot of my beliefs about God’s nature out, but when I say I believe in God, I’m not believing in some cartoonish figure in the sky that created the earth in 7 24 hour periods. When I flounder in my faith, it’s not for lack of belief that He exists. It’s floundering in the belief that He cares. And I think most people of faith flounder in that a lot, even those we regard as great saints.

        • thatcatkatie says:

          The god you speak of sounds more like an unseen force of order, like the laws of physics, rather than an intelligent being. If that’s the case, I suppose I can understand it. However I also believe in the uncanny ability of humans to attribute coincidence to a higher power because it’s undesirable to believe there’s no real reason for us to be here. Although your argument is compelling, it still presents to me no logical reason to believe that god would exist. I’ve heard this same idea before, that the simple order of the universe and mathematical equations behind phenomena prove a higher being created it, because it’s just too coincidental otherwise. This is only wishful thinking, in my opinion, especially in terms of people using this argument to try to back up Christianity or another popular religion. For some reason we want to believe that things are more than they are just because they amaze us.

          • That is true. The argument I gave (first cause) does not prove that God is a personal God.

            The first cause is a logical proof for the existence of an entity that transcends time, whose essence and existence are the same or self contained (called Aesity), and would possess a creative power. This proves part of the aspects ascribed to God in Judeo-Christian religions. That is to say that God is described as creating known reality through His own inner nature – through his Word (Logos). When Moses asks God what his name is, God names himself as “I AM.” That is to say, he is “being” itself — his Aesity, his existence being self contained. (This is also why Christianity’s claim that God became man is scandalous to the Jewish faith.)

            To claim it doesn’t exist would be like claiming to a bunch of pagans who worship the sun that the sun doesn’t exist. The question is not the existence, but on the nature of this entity. Many attributes ascribed to God by Judeo-Christian religions cannot be proven through reason. They don’t contradict reason meaning they exist within the realm of possibilities, but belief in them lies in the area of faith. There are also attributes people commonly attribute to God that do contradict reason. Those obviously must not be true.

            Of course this can get into the authority of the bible and whether it is contradictory, etc, etc. It’s a very, very long argument and there are certainly more intelligent people than either of us having these arguments. So better food for thought would be get a copy of more professional debates on this topic than to argue amongst ourselves.

            Thank you for the respectful response. It was very refreshing.

  3. highly probable. Excuse my typos.

  4. Reblogged this on myatheistlife and commented:
    Here it is, a set of pictures you can look at every day and remind yourself why religion poisons everything. Don’t worry, there will always be new pictures to add to this. Thanks to thatcatkatie we all have a nice collection to get started with.

    • thatcatkatie says:

      I’d just like to state I didn’t compile these, I forgot to say that in the post. I found this forever ago and it’s been sitting in the my photos folder of my computer. If I could remember the source or find it, I’d post it.

  5. Really Good post, long but good none the less!
    I welcome your dialogue on my similar thoughts.
    Thanks for posting.

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